[ALGTOP-L] arXiv submission

Laurence Taylor taylor.2 at nd.edu
Mon Dec 27 07:49:37 EST 2010


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The arxiv license states clearly (and in red) that their license is=20
irrevocable.=20

I would assume that if you submit a paper to any journal and inform=20
them of the arxiv submission then it would be up to them whether they=20
wish to publish under those conditions. Even on copyright forms that=20
insist that no changes be made to the wording, I would add the fact that
there is an arxiv submission of the article. In any case, you no longer =
have=20
the right to have your arxiv submission removed and so if the publisher=20=

insists that there be no posted versions of your paper then you will =
need=20
to look for another journal.

Depending on the journal's license you may or may not be allowed to=20
update your arxiv article with any changes made after submitting your
paper to the journal. Reading Elsevier's copyright policy, it seems to =
me=20
that initial arxiv submissions are fine but that subsequent updates are =
not.=20

Larry Taylor
University of Notre Dame
http://www.nd.edu/~taylor



On Dec 26, 2010, at 9:24 :25PM , David Pengelley wrote:

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> I was recently concerned about this too, for a publication in =
Elsevier's=20
> journal Historia Mathematica.  However, I satisfied myself that my=20
> preprint may stay forever on the arXiv, which was important to me in =
this=20
> case.
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> For details, look at=20
> http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/authorsrights=20
> http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/copyright
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> Properly interpreted, they say a preprint may stay on a preprint =
server=20
> indefinitely.  It seems one just has to be careful that what is posted =
is=20
> really a preprint, not the absolutely final version published by the=20=

> publisher.  Check what they say for details.
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> Best
> David
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> David Pengelley (davidp at nmsu.edu)
> Mathematical Sciences, 3MB
> New Mexico State University
> PO Box 30001
> Las Cruces NM 88003-8001=20
> USA
> Tel: 575-646-3901=3Ddept., 575-646-2723=3Dmy office; Fax: 575-646-1064=20=

> http://math.nmsu.edu/~davidp
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> On Sun, 26 Dec 2010, turchin at math.ksu.edu wrote:
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>> This question is not mathematical.
>>=20
>> When I was trying to submit a paper in arXiv.org I was asked to sign =
a
>> license allowing them to distribute my article perpetually:
>> http://arxiv.org/help/license
>>=20
>> They give a link where one can check whether a publisher allows to =
archive
>> a pre-print and under which restrictions.
>>=20
>> As example, from what I saw I concluded that Elsevier, Springer, and =
Johns
>> Hopkins University Press do not allow a pre-print published in =
arXiv.org:
>> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D30&la=3Den&fIDnum=3D|
>> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D96&la=3Den&fIDnum=3D|
>> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D74&la=3Den&fIDnum=3D|
>> (Though they do allow archiving pre-prints on =
departmental/institutional
>> web pages).
>>=20
>> Am I right with my conclusion?
>>=20
>> By contrast American Mathematical Society publisher does not mind =
putting
>> papers on arXiv:
>> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D83&la=3Den&fIDnum=3D|
>>=20
>>=20
>> What about De Gruyter and their "Journal f=FCr die Reine und =
Angewandte
>> Mathematik" and "Georgian Math. J."? Unfortunately De Gruyter does =
not
>> appear in the above link.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Can somebody recommend more journals/publishers that don't mind their
>> papers to appear on arXiv as pre-prints?
>>=20
>>=20
>> Thank you and Merry X-mas!
>> Victor Turchin
>>=20
>>=20
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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><br>The&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://arxiv.org/help/license">arxiv =
license</a>&nbsp;states clearly (and in red) that their license =
is&nbsp;<br>irrevocable.&nbsp;<br><br>I would assume that if you submit =
a paper to any&nbsp;journal and inform&nbsp;<br>them of the arxiv =
submission then it would be up to them whether they&nbsp;<br>wish to =
publish under those conditions. Even on copyright forms =
that&nbsp;<div>insist that no changes be made to the wording, I would =
add the fact that</div><div>there is an arxiv submission of the article. =
In any case, you no longer have&nbsp;<div>the right&nbsp;to have your =
arxiv submission removed and so if the =
publisher&nbsp;</div><div>insists&nbsp;that there be no posted versions =
of your paper then you will need&nbsp;</div><div>to&nbsp;look for =
another journal.<div><div><br></div><div>Depending on the =
journal's&nbsp;license you may or may not be allowed =
to&nbsp;</div><div>update your arxiv article&nbsp;with any changes made =
after submitting your</div><div>paper to the journal. Reading&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/copyright">El=
sevier's</a>&nbsp;copyright policy, it seems to me&nbsp;</div><div>that =
initial arxiv submissions&nbsp;are fine&nbsp;but that subsequent updates =
are not.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Larry =
Taylor</div><div>University of Notre Dame</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://www.nd.edu/~taylor">http://www.nd.edu/~taylor</a></div><div=
><div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Dec 26, =
2010, at 9:24 :25PM , David Pengelley wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><br>I =
was recently concerned about this too, for a publication in Elsevier's =
<br>journal Historia Mathematica. &nbsp;However, I satisfied myself that =
my <br>preprint may stay forever on the arXiv, which was important to me =
in this <br>case.<br><br>For details, look at <br><a =
href=3D"http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/authorsrights=
">http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/authorsrights</a> =
<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/copyright">ht=
tp://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authorsview.authors/copyright</a><br><br>Pr=
operly interpreted, they say a preprint may stay on a preprint server =
<br>indefinitely. &nbsp;It seems one just has to be careful that what is =
posted is <br>really a preprint, not the absolutely final version =
published by the <br>publisher. &nbsp;Check what they say for =
details.<br><br>Best<br>David<br><br>David Pengelley =
(davidp at nmsu.edu)<br>Mathematical Sciences, 3MB<br>New Mexico State =
University<br>PO Box 30001<br>Las Cruces NM 88003-8001 <br>USA<br>Tel: =
575-646-3901=3Ddept., 575-646-2723=3Dmy office; Fax: 575-646-1064 =
<br>http://math.nmsu.edu/~davidp<br><br><br>On Sun, 26 Dec 2010, =
turchin at math.ksu.edu wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">This =
question is not mathematical.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">When I was =
trying to submit a paper in arXiv.org I was asked to sign =
a<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">license allowing them to =
distribute my article perpetually:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">http://arxiv.org/help/license<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">They give a =
link where one can check whether a publisher allows to =
archive<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">a pre-print and under =
which restrictions.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">As example, =
from what I saw I concluded that Elsevier, Springer, and =
Johns<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hopkins University Press =
do not allow a pre-print published in =
arXiv.org:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D30&amp;la=3Den=
&amp;fIDnum=3D|<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D96&amp;la=3Den=
&amp;fIDnum=3D|<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D74&amp;la=3Den=
&amp;fIDnum=3D|<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">(Though they =
do allow archiving pre-prints on =
departmental/institutional<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">web =
pages).<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Am I right with =
my conclusion?<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">By contrast =
American Mathematical Society publisher does not mind =
putting<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">papers on =
arXiv:<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D83&amp;la=3Den=
&amp;fIDnum=3D|<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">What about De =
Gruyter and their "Journal f=FCr die Reine und =
Angewandte<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Mathematik" and =
"Georgian Math. J."? Unfortunately De Gruyter does =
not<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">appear in the above =
link.<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Can somebody =
recommend more journals/publishers that don't mind =
their<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">papers to appear on =
arXiv as pre-prints?<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Thank you and =
Merry X-mas!<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Victor =
Turchin<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockqu=
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